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Supreme Overlord Klavan takes on The Conversation with host Elisha Krauss to answer all of your questions on politics, pop culture, personal relationships, and everything else you always wanted to know! Subscribe now to ask questions and join The Conversation.hello everyone I am Alicia Krause and welcome to this episode of the conversation with our very own Andrew Klavan don't forget today to ask questions as a subscriber only subscribers can ask questions be sure to log on to our website daily wire.com and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream after that just start typing into the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for an entire hour Oh God Michael's conversation that is our very own Michael Knowles has been confirmed for Tuesday November 14th at 2:00 p.m. Pacific 5:00 p.m. Eastern I can't wait to rip him and give him a very hard time that should be really entertaining cuz he doesn't know anything asking really with a laugh so I'm excited to talk to Michael that day that'll be great so we're having some questions come through we're gonna get to as many as possible I like to save people's names and sometimes where they're from like ok with you right no you should yeah you should give their addresses and their phone numbers and we'll send people no no no salesmen will call we won't go that far at all so how are you liking being at the Daily wire I mean this is kind of a different pace for you to do a daily podcast right it's kind of an amazing experience yeah it's a yeah it's about it's about 10 times more work than I thought it was gonna be but it's about a hundred times more fun I mean you have to understand people don't understand this about me I I'm a writer I have lived my life in a room by myself I really have and I spend most of my time in a room by myself doing things with commas you know like like I'm gonna put that take that comma from here and take it there and coming out into the actual world has been a shock I mean it really has to actually be talking to be on camera and I never expected ever to do anything where I would be on camera except an occasional interview so do you like the interaction that you have with your listeners in advance yeah well that's the passport yeah that's the thing I like this I mean the thing about think about writing a book is even now when you could possibly publish a book you know instantaneously you don't you centers your publisher sometimes it takes eight months you get some reactions because it's now everything's on email and all that stuff but it's not the kind of personal relationship that you have like this it's very distant still you know I remember the first time they made one of my books into a movie I remember being on an airplane and they played my movie and you looked around and you felt like there are people like listen they listening to some I wrote you know because see with the head says and that was the first time I realized I had this like kind of personal relationship with people I mean you always know vaguely you're writing for people but you never see it you know we're here everything is instantaneous and also you get to hear a little bit more what about what people like you know you say something and people say well I don't like that I don't like that you said that you know and that maybe maybe you did this wrong or you did that and so that's educational you know you start to find out who's out there you really do not have that relationship when you just write even even now even now when everything's instantaneous you simply don't have the direct relationship because you never know I mean the people who leave comments can be awfully angry people you know you don't know the people who leave comments on your on your writing yeah you know a lot of times there's trolls and all this stuff you know you don't really know what the audience is but something like this especially because the daily wire has a great group of people series not flattering them seriously a great group of people I don't know it's just a lot more personal and interactive and I like it well that's the great thing about the conversation so if you want to ask questions and be a part of our conversations with our daily wire host like ben shapiro michael knowles and our very own andrew pleavin please go subscribe become a member right now so let's get started all right all righty Spencer is asking how can conservatives make themselves intellectually respectable when the left portrays political debates as contests between their informed dispassionate reasoning and our stupidity and dishonesty well that is exactly that's an excellent description of what the Left does and they do do it and it's everything the left us is magnified because they have the megaphone of the press so they have the network's they have the New York Times Ava Washington cause all the big angles and they have the the late-night comedy shows and all the actors and all this stuff so they have put you know like for instance virtually any issue that you deal with has two sides most issues I mean if not talking about like slaughter and slaughtering the innocent you're talking about things with two sides and so let's let's say for example you have a debate about gay marriage and one person is saying well gay people are people and they love each other and they shouldn't be free to be married and the other people are saying well wait you know marriage is a pillar of our society it's a central bastion of freedom we don't want to change the definition that's a debate that's to decent human beings can sit down and have that debate together but the left does continually as Spencer says is they cast it as you are either a good open-minded open hearted person who will accept gay marriage or you're an evil hateful person and it doesn't matter that two years ago whenever was 2008 Barack Obama was against gay marriage and then suddenly he's four it doesn't matter all that stuff that passed is gone so what I always try to do is first get rid of personalities you know don't talk about Donald Trump don't talk about Barack Obama don't say he did this you did this this is happening talk about principles what is the principle that you're defending and once you get get them to that place there's not that much they can do they have to engage and obviously you're always going to get attacked there's no way one of the things I sometimes feel is that people are because I get questions like this a lot and I feel like people are asking me how they can they have this discussion without paying the price you can't you can't they're gonna come after you they're gonna call you names are gonna do all that stuff but get them on principle so I always start like for instance when I speak to people I always say I'm a freedom guy I believe in freedom so gay people want to get married okay but a baker doesn't want to cater that that's okay too you know you've got to have your freedom depends on letting the other guy be free would you say that that's a libertarian stance or conservative I am I am kind of more of a libertarian when it comes to this sort of thing for the simple reason that this wasn't true in the in the old days when we had more of a concern moral consensus it was okay for the government to have laws against homosexuality because everybody including homosexuals thought that homosexuality was wrong that consensus has collapsed a government now that can control what you do in your bed is to bigger government it's to bigger government and that I think that's a change that's come upon us I think that it's a change that conservatives were too slow to pick up on they didn't understand that they were gonna lose that fight I did I knew that they were gonna lose that fight and so I tend to be libertarian about that and of course conservatism in libertarianism or Venn diagrams are very close together you know I'm not I would say there are a lot of things I'm conservative about for instance I'm not at all libertarian about abortion which I don't think that actually I don't think it's a libertarian issue I think if you're killing somebody you know that's that you can't just say like you have the right to do that why do you think there is that disparity between libertarians and abortion well you know I'm frequently asked by libertarians how can you if you're a small government how can you be against the woman's right to an abortion and the question there's only one questionable about an abortion and that is is that a child is that a human entity you know and I simply don't see how you can say that it's not the argument is is always about what the fetus can do at that moment you know can it make a decision can I suffer can it do this it doesn't matter because we don't live just in place we lived in live in time you're not just the person you are now you're the person you were 10 years ago and they're all the memories that you have and so if this if this infant in the womb is left alone it will become a person who can decide which is the same is true of you if you're asleep you know I can't say well your sleep you can't make a decision so if I want to kill you I can no because eventually you wake up eventually that child will be born and I think I think that's once you take that out and you can tell the pro-abortion people do everything they can to delete that human being from the language they don't talk about abortion they don't talk about killing they don't talk about babies they you know it's if if you're pregnant as you know you know that's a baby nobody ever says oh I I'm having a fetus nobody ever says that but once you start to talk about abortion suddenly the pro-abortion people start to use this very vague very scientific language to dehumanize this person you know I always say about anything I'm always in favor of the I'm always for the smallest guy in the room you know I'm always for the guy who doesn't have a voice or doesn't have a chance or doesn't get to say anything seems to me in a room where abortion taking place that's easy easy cool so why do you think there's such a big difference between because I'm always fascinated by this why libertarians tend to they okay no that's something that government shouldn't be involved in well libertarians is a movement are really kind of lost I mean all this stuff about whether marijuana can be that he gets so obsessed with marijuana you know when you talk about him as a political party I can't believe when you talk to libertarians and you bring up pot they're still talking 30 minutes lichter like it's Bob you know you want to smoke a joint smoke a joint but that's that's not an important political movement so I think libertarianism is kind of lost as a political movement as a philosophy that's different as the basic look I think basically the basis of conservatism is freedom and if you are going to be free the other person has to be free and the only argument you can have against somebody else's freedom is if it impinges upon yours and I think that when you listen to conservatives for instance when you listen to conservatives against gay marriage what they say is the family is a principle support of freedom therefore we have to protect the family their talk still talking about freedom I'm I'm a person who would rather let people be free and then work out the problem as it comes up so you know back in the 19th century in England they would argue should Catholics be allowed to vote and they would say well no because the Catholic won't just be loyal to England he'll be loyal to the church as well and what I would have said is like let them vote and if that's becomes a problem we'll work it out at the time okay let's keep moving and don't forget to ask questions as a subscriber you need to log in to the daily wire website daily wire comm and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream and after that just start typing in the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for this entire hour our next question comes from Jacob Harris he says hello Clavin do you agree with the sentiment that John Keegan expresses that war is not politics carried out by other means but rather it has predated it and comes from human nature yes I absolutely agree with this and by the way it's Lord Clavin I absolutely agree with us you know if you read Shakespeare Shakespeare divided basically the the activities of man into love and war when you were at war you're at war then when he came back he got married you reproduced had families all their stuff war to defend those families to defend those families all this war I always laugh when I hear somebody who's written an anti-war novel or an anti-war film I always want to say good I'm writing an anti hurricane film you know let's see if that solves anything you know because I do think it's one of the activities of man what has happened with war and I think it's an important thing and it's another thing that I think conservatives don't take into account I mean conservatives for instance have yet to incorporate in their minds the effect of birth control on the sexual lives of human beings technology changes things it may not change the morals of things but it changes what happens if you were fighting a war in Homeric days and you were a guy with a sword running out against other guys with swords it's a very different situation that if you're running onto a field and people are wiped out like in World War one whether they were just hos machine gun bullets over a field and an entire town would be wiped off the face of the earth in minutes okay that changes the morality of war nuclear weapons changed the morality of war there was a time when I think war was heroic there was a time when it's horrible as it was war was glorious now I think war is so horrific and so mass so full of mass murder that it's really hard to get the ancient glory out of it and yet at the same time men especially the male especially still feels that he wants to fight for something and and I think a lot of the problems we have in society is that natural basic instinct men have to want to fight for their women to want to fight for the property to want to fight for success its thwarted because when you go out and fight it's all just bombs going off and the guy next to you is gone and there's no glory in it whatsoever I mean the glory is theoretical in the sense that we understand it was glorious that you were brave enough to do that but there's not the glory of watching you know a warrior go out with a sword and fight his way and hack his way through which actually was like an athletic thing that was an actual glorious thing but I think it's a very basic thing I think what we're dealing with is that our natures have been thwarted by technology which has made war so horrifying and so full of mass that our basic nature to fight for what we believe in has been forwarded and I think it creates a lot of problems so it's so interesting that you say that do you how much involvement do you think culture has had in porting the masculinity specifically of American males well I think what happens is that culture that culture would not be able to thwart men being men if you needed men to be men as you did in the old days never would have occurred to a Viking woman to say stop fighting all the time because the minute you stop fighting all that should be gone you'd be carried off by the next drive that was that was fighting you know it's on those moments like 9/11 I remember I remember suddenly all those liberal ladies all those feminists ladies going oh that's what men are for because it's the men who run into those buildings there's no getting around that it's not women who go charging up the stairs when the building is coming down around you it is the firemen it's the policemen those are the guys who do it and then you remember this is part of what men are for now of course in our world men actually do serve a lot of purposes but their new purposes you know the kind of the kind of technological advances do tend to stem from male ways of thinking but it's not the same thing it's not that obvious brute force there is a force that protects us the military and the cops and all that stuff but we've gotten so powerful that it allows people like me to do other things like create and invent and all about I feel like I could talk to you about this for a whole hour all these don't follow up questions in my head but we're gonna get back to our subscribers in a moment but first we wanted to take a second just share with you about our very generous sponsor for this episode of the conversation Skillshare Skillshare I love Skillshare and it's just what we were talking about skills fair is it's this online community where you can get classes there's I don't know there's like three million members with 17,000 classes but there are video classes a series of videos on a class will teach you all kinds of things graphic design DSLR photography social media marketing digital illustration just 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hello I was just wondering what your views if any we're on UK politics the parties in the current prime minister Theresa May or other well-known political figures such as Jeremy Corbyn and others well you know I lived in England for seven years and one of the things I learned very quickly in by doing this and I learned it within a month of moving there is you don't know anything about a country until you live there you really don't you don't do not know the ins and outs you get a sense I know sometimes don't you ever read in the newspaper wherever you're getting your news you'll read about France and you think France is coming a part of the scenes yeah and then you'll go over there think that looks fine you know exactly it all depends where you are really great reason why I mean get the good cheese and the good wine great you know great clothes and all that stuff now these French people are gonna write it it is funny to perfect but but I lived in England for many years and so I learned that you really don't know unless you live there and now I have not lived there for 20 years and so I don't really know I you know I was I was deeply in favor of the UK of brexit I was very much in favor of brexit Teresa may seems to have bobbled this ball she was never in support of brexit and I started by saying you don't know that much about it so you understand I'm an American talking about this she didn't really support brexit I think the European Union is a mistake I think that it is proven it's a mistake by its unbridled allowing of immigration coming in and basically insisting that you have to take these immigrants whether you want them or not if you can fit them or not whether they fit your culture or not and it's very left-wing and is very intrusive and the problem the British have is the British follow rules so if you tell them you know yours and they do by the way if Brussels puts out a report saying you know your potato chip must have a curve in it that's 17 you know on arc of this you know the British will sit around with their potato chips trying to man that you know and of course the Italians are like whatever yeah so so I would say that I'm in favor of it I think Terry samay is blowing it and I think it may not happen because she's done such a bad job Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous guy he is a clown like Bernie said he's their bernie sanders he is like bernie sanders yeah he does not know he's a leftist socialist he really does not know what socialism looks like he should look at men as well though that is what socialism looks like and the problem is is he's so bad he's so far left because you know Britain really moved to the right he's so far left that they think he's not gonna get in but Theresa May remembers a parliamentary system she has messed up enough so he could very easily slip in and then they're gonna be in genuine trouble I'm curious to see what happens in Austria where the new Prime Minister there is very young yep 31 31 yep my age it's gonna be the new Prime Minister and he's saying that he wants to pull out of the EU as well and make Austria more sovereign nation I think he's a really good sign because whenever we hear the Germany or Austria is going to the right we immediately see that just don't the jackboots and the Nazis and all this stuff and this guy is just a moderate you know right winger who wants to pull away from the far-right but it is a nationalist and does understand I think I think that Muslim immigration is a big problem I don't think that I think that Islam has things inherently in it's ideas that are at odds with the West and just having them come in on mass is a bad mistake and I think that if this guy can curtail that if he can show respectable amount of success suddenly a lot of other countries are going to be saying you know what we're not Nazis if we go a little bit to the right it's not gonna instantly turn us into Adolf Hitler it's interesting because we're friends from Scandinavian countries and they kind of say the same thing they can't understand and they're from socialist countries yeah and would identify a socialist but they say you Americans in your immigration of course you should have a wall because look what's happened to Europe it's ridiculous where daily there you know it detect it is a conflation of race with belief you know I don't care what color a person is if he's an American you know if he believes in the Constitution he believes in freedom I could care I truly could care less but you can have a belief system that is repugnant or just in conflict with the basic premises of the West you know if your if your belief system does not include freedom of religion and Islam in a lot of ways does not I understand can be interpreted in many different ways but there is a strain of it that does not if you are not online with women being an equal part of society and I'm an anti-feminist I see this as an anti feminism you know but you're not welcome in the West you know you're a problem for the West if that is your religion if your religion is that not only not only can your women not be treated equally but they can't leave see that's the important if you want to have a religion where a woman can voluntarily say oh yeah I'll be part of your religion and I'll wear this crazy getup and all that so that's fine but if you kill her when she tries to leave not so fine anymore and that's probably right and so that and to me you don't you can't conflate ideas which are allowed to criticize an attack even if they're religious ideas you can't come flate those with race which is totally just inborn and you're part of you know that you're made in the image of God no matter what color you are well some people might argue well they'd be wrong and they'd be John wants to know can you tell us what the appropriate scope of the government's role in protecting the environment only federal or state none of the above your free use of land but there are permanent side effects permanent side effects I think everybody understands this is called the problem of the Commons everybody understands that the government has some role in regulating the comp the use of common land and of course the error would be be included and that as we all breathe the air nobody wants to go back to the London Fog nobody wants to go back to the smog in la smog in LA was you know cured by people saying we've got to cure this and then they invented the catalytic converter and it's it is really really different out there than it is today if you google a picture of like the valley in the 70s today I remember standing on a hotel balconies watching this green yuck come in over the horizon was a horrible thing so nobody is against you no come this is the you this is the good uses of government how you know how when something what government is for and as I say this is the problem of the Commons is solving the problem that no one person has but we all have so in other words a factory doesn't have a problem with the air because it just wants to build its stuff but all of us together have a problem the air and that's what we use government for the problem is what the left does continual continuously is they take legitimate problems and they cause hysteria about them and then they try to use them to seize all this power it's not like oh let's keep the air clean let's set reasonable standards for air and let each state find a way to meet those standards it's like oh my god it's the end of the world if you don't sign on to this you're a Holocaust denier we're gonna be burned to death in two years or as Al Gore would say we're gonna die two years ago and left and then so you have to give government all the power and all the control over our energy sources or else you're a horrible horrible human being that's a crazy stupid argument that we shouldn't even allow to happen but what happens is the press amplifies that argument and cuts us off when we say you know what I'm happy to take care of the air happy to take care of our water we all want that calm down because by the way if the world is gonna burn up you can't do what to think about it is hope so don't destroy our economies don't take over everything don't be in control of everything as far as I'm concerned like the EPA for instance yes and doing a great job I mean I love what he's doing should be like 52 guys with one of those pool testers you know what it tells us how clean the water is each one should go to a state and dip it in and say any water's a little dirty and they say well clean it come back in six months test it again that's it you know just push set that set the bar where it's supposed to be and then stop telling people to do but the left is all about regulating everything so they always want to make a panic it can't be it can't be you know these city neighborhoods are a problem it has to be racism in America there's no more racism in America nor anywhere else in fact less I would say having lived other places I would say much in America but they always are trying to take little grains of truth and blow them up into forests of sensation yeah okay moving along don't forget to ask questions as a subscriber you have to login so if you're writing things on Facebook or YouTube right now I'm sorry we cannot see them because you need to be a subscriber log into the website daily wire.com and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream after that to start typing into the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for an entire hour I'm not used to calling you drew do you prefer to be called drew Andrew I don't mind you know my drew Clavin was always my professional and because I was nobody ever heard of Bill Shakespeare so I thought when I write a book it should have Andrew Clayton on it but most people have always called me drew once okay good to know so I guess I could start calling you drew next question is from Emmanuel he says that he has a silly question for Overlord Clavin what is your favorite daily wired cartoon daily wire court what daily wire cartoons I read the daily wire all the time I've never still we have cartoons on the daily where you guys what I liked our funny videos is that what they're talking about the funny videos oh okay I find a lot of those funny in like my mind is gone completely blank a specific favorite yeah well I'll ask you I'll remind you later and then maybe gherkin tweeted out for everybody the hippo what did the hippo oh yes that was funny alright we'll say the hippo serious question what is your biggest letdown and biggest win for president oh good question well I think the thing that I mean it's gotten we've all gotten so tired of saying it it's they keep saying oh it's Supreme Court justice Gorsuch but that's not it really no because he has it's not just courses okay he has is completely changing the nature of the federal courts and as much as conservatives hate Mitch McConnell Mitch McConnell has just gotten rid of this thing they called the blue slip rule he's cleared that way so a lot of these guys were being confirmed his and Trump's justice picks and judges judge picks have been tacular as somebody said in an article Scalia's all the way down and I think that that is just terrific I also love and this has been a bugbear of mine for a long time these regulations that Obama specifically but really the government as a whole has been using to control people's lives so they passed these laws and they'll say well yes but we passed the law but here is an agency that is gonna make the regulations and the agency just endlessly that's that what the guy does he goes to work at the agency and makes regulations and so Trump's rule that you have to cut two regulations for every new one you make spectacular those are the things I really do love and do you see that being implemented in places oh yeah it's absolutely yes it's actually happening and it's happening in terms of cutting back regulations that that forced religious people to provide birth control that they didn't want to provide and and the EPA regs against coal coal usage he's cut back and say he's really done a good good job with that obviously he has not been as successful wrangling the cats in the Congress he's not a no okay so what's your biggest let day I would say my biggest letdown with him so far is that he he hasn't he hasn't tempered his tone to get past the bullying he's starting to one of the things I keep saying about trumpet no one no one will listen to me Alicia I keep saying is he learn stuff you can watch him do it you can watch him get better at things you know he is so he's a very successful man he was very successfully changed to let you know the skyline of New York in the 70s and 80s and he did it when people had given up on New York and he was a big success on TV and all this stuff is he will be the first person to remind you what great ratings but ujuj is like but he that bullying thing working the littles people I think you know I understand why people like it because we're taught were all tired of being pushed around by the press basically we all feel that we haven't had a voice Barack Obama was a quiet man but he was a very very nasty man he really divided us and all this stuff that's still still I want to hit back I want to hit back hard but I also want to hit back as like it's not that I want to play by gentleman's rules but I don't want to be as big a bully as they are I don't see it if we keep sinking to each other's levels eventually we just disappear into the earth this ties into the question that was asked earlier about the war and the glory of war yeah I think that a lot of the support for Donald Trump did go back to like those people that felt like they've been deluged or they can't be that macho kind of you know have that bravado anymore and so even though Trump might be a little more extreme than they would be in their everyday life they like cheer him on because they're like well somebody's finally saying it yeah you know you're absolutely right and I got so angry at Bill Kristol today he put out a tweet saying I like everything

Supreme Overlord Klavan takes on The Conversation with host Elisha Krauss to answer all of your questions on politics, pop culture, personal relationships, and everything else you always wanted to know! Subscribe now to ask questions and join The Conversation.hello everyone I am Alicia Krause and welcome to this episode of the conversation with our very own Andrew Klavan don't forget today to ask questions as a subscriber only subscribers can ask questions be sure to log on to our website daily wire.com and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream after that just start typing into the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for an entire hour Oh God Michael's conversation that is our very own Michael Knowles has been confirmed for Tuesday November 14th at 2:00 p.m. Pacific 5:00 p.m. Eastern I can't wait to rip him and give him a very hard time that should be really entertaining cuz he doesn't know anything asking really with a laugh so I'm excited to talk to Michael that day that'll be great so we're having some questions come through we're gonna get to as many as possible I like to save people's names and sometimes where they're from like ok with you right no you should yeah you should give their addresses and their phone numbers and we'll send people no no no salesmen will call we won't go that far at all so how are you liking being at the Daily wire I mean this is kind of a different pace for you to do a daily podcast right it's kind of an amazing experience yeah it's a yeah it's about it's about 10 times more work than I thought it was gonna be but it's about a hundred times more fun I mean you have to understand people don't understand this about me I I'm a writer I have lived my life in a room by myself I really have and I spend most of my time in a room by myself doing things with commas you know like like I'm gonna put that take that comma from here and take it there and coming out into the actual world has been a shock I mean it really has to actually be talking to be on camera and I never expected ever to do anything where I would be on camera except an occasional interview so do you like the interaction that you have with your listeners in advance yeah well that's the passport yeah that's the thing I like this I mean the thing about think about writing a book is even now when you could possibly publish a book you know instantaneously you don't you centers your publisher sometimes it takes eight months you get some reactions because it's now everything's on email and all that stuff but it's not the kind of personal relationship that you have like this it's very distant still you know I remember the first time they made one of my books into a movie I remember being on an airplane and they played my movie and you looked around and you felt like there are people like listen they listening to some I wrote you know because see with the head says and that was the first time I realized I had this like kind of personal relationship with people I mean you always know vaguely you're writing for people but you never see it you know we're here everything is instantaneous and also you get to hear a little bit more what about what people like you know you say something and people say well I don't like that I don't like that you said that you know and that maybe maybe you did this wrong or you did that and so that's educational you know you start to find out who's out there you really do not have that relationship when you just write even even now even now when everything's instantaneous you simply don't have the direct relationship because you never know I mean the people who leave comments can be awfully angry people you know you don't know the people who leave comments on your on your writing yeah you know a lot of times there's trolls and all this stuff you know you don't really know what the audience is but something like this especially because the daily wire has a great group of people series not flattering them seriously a great group of people I don't know it's just a lot more personal and interactive and I like it well that's the great thing about the conversation so if you want to ask questions and be a part of our conversations with our daily wire host like ben shapiro michael knowles and our very own andrew pleavin please go subscribe become a member right now so let's get started all right all righty Spencer is asking how can conservatives make themselves intellectually respectable when the left portrays political debates as contests between their informed dispassionate reasoning and our stupidity and dishonesty well that is exactly that's an excellent description of what the Left does and they do do it and it's everything the left us is magnified because they have the megaphone of the press so they have the network's they have the New York Times Ava Washington cause all the big angles and they have the the late-night comedy shows and all the actors and all this stuff so they have put you know like for instance virtually any issue that you deal with has two sides most issues I mean if not talking about like slaughter and slaughtering the innocent you're talking about things with two sides and so let's let's say for example you have a debate about gay marriage and one person is saying well gay people are people and they love each other and they shouldn't be free to be married and the other people are saying well wait you know marriage is a pillar of our society it's a central bastion of freedom we don't want to change the definition that's a debate that's to decent human beings can sit down and have that debate together but the left does continually as Spencer says is they cast it as you are either a good open-minded open hearted person who will accept gay marriage or you're an evil hateful person and it doesn't matter that two years ago whenever was 2008 Barack Obama was against gay marriage and then suddenly he's four it doesn't matter all that stuff that passed is gone so what I always try to do is first get rid of personalities you know don't talk about Donald Trump don't talk about Barack Obama don't say he did this you did this this is happening talk about principles what is the principle that you're defending and once you get get them to that place there's not that much they can do they have to engage and obviously you're always going to get attacked there's no way one of the things I sometimes feel is that people are because I get questions like this a lot and I feel like people are asking me how they can they have this discussion without paying the price you can't you can't they're gonna come after you they're gonna call you names are gonna do all that stuff but get them on principle so I always start like for instance when I speak to people I always say I'm a freedom guy I believe in freedom so gay people want to get married okay but a baker doesn't want to cater that that's okay too you know you've got to have your freedom depends on letting the other guy be free would you say that that's a libertarian stance or conservative I am I am kind of more of a libertarian when it comes to this sort of thing for the simple reason that this wasn't true in the in the old days when we had more of a concern moral consensus it was okay for the government to have laws against homosexuality because everybody including homosexuals thought that homosexuality was wrong that consensus has collapsed a government now that can control what you do in your bed is to bigger government it's to bigger government and that I think that's a change that's come upon us I think that it's a change that conservatives were too slow to pick up on they didn't understand that they were gonna lose that fight I did I knew that they were gonna lose that fight and so I tend to be libertarian about that and of course conservatism in libertarianism or Venn diagrams are very close together you know I'm not I would say there are a lot of things I'm conservative about for instance I'm not at all libertarian about abortion which I don't think that actually I don't think it's a libertarian issue I think if you're killing somebody you know that's that you can't just say like you have the right to do that why do you think there is that disparity between libertarians and abortion well you know I'm frequently asked by libertarians how can you if you're a small government how can you be against the woman's right to an abortion and the question there's only one questionable about an abortion and that is is that a child is that a human entity you know and I simply don't see how you can say that it's not the argument is is always about what the fetus can do at that moment you know can it make a decision can I suffer can it do this it doesn't matter because we don't live just in place we lived in live in time you're not just the person you are now you're the person you were 10 years ago and they're all the memories that you have and so if this if this infant in the womb is left alone it will become a person who can decide which is the same is true of you if you're asleep you know I can't say well your sleep you can't make a decision so if I want to kill you I can no because eventually you wake up eventually that child will be born and I think I think that's once you take that out and you can tell the pro-abortion people do everything they can to delete that human being from the language they don't talk about abortion they don't talk about killing they don't talk about babies they you know it's if if you're pregnant as you know you know that's a baby nobody ever says oh I I'm having a fetus nobody ever says that but once you start to talk about abortion suddenly the pro-abortion people start to use this very vague very scientific language to dehumanize this person you know I always say about anything I'm always in favor of the I'm always for the smallest guy in the room you know I'm always for the guy who doesn't have a voice or doesn't have a chance or doesn't get to say anything seems to me in a room where abortion taking place that's easy easy cool so why do you think there's such a big difference between because I'm always fascinated by this why libertarians tend to they okay no that's something that government shouldn't be involved in well libertarians is a movement are really kind of lost I mean all this stuff about whether marijuana can be that he gets so obsessed with marijuana you know when you talk about him as a political party I can't believe when you talk to libertarians and you bring up pot they're still talking 30 minutes lichter like it's Bob you know you want to smoke a joint smoke a joint but that's that's not an important political movement so I think libertarianism is kind of lost as a political movement as a philosophy that's different as the basic look I think basically the basis of conservatism is freedom and if you are going to be free the other person has to be free and the only argument you can have against somebody else's freedom is if it impinges upon yours and I think that when you listen to conservatives for instance when you listen to conservatives against gay marriage what they say is the family is a principle support of freedom therefore we have to protect the family their talk still talking about freedom I'm I'm a person who would rather let people be free and then work out the problem as it comes up so you know back in the 19th century in England they would argue should Catholics be allowed to vote and they would say well no because the Catholic won't just be loyal to England he'll be loyal to the church as well and what I would have said is like let them vote and if that's becomes a problem we'll work it out at the time okay let's keep moving and don't forget to ask questions as a subscriber you need to log in to the daily wire website daily wire comm and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream and after that just start typing in the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for this entire hour our next question comes from Jacob Harris he says hello Clavin do you agree with the sentiment that John Keegan expresses that war is not politics carried out by other means but rather it has predated it and comes from human nature yes I absolutely agree with this and by the way it's Lord Clavin I absolutely agree with us you know if you read Shakespeare Shakespeare divided basically the the activities of man into love and war when you were at war you're at war then when he came back he got married you reproduced had families all their stuff war to defend those families to defend those families all this war I always laugh when I hear somebody who's written an anti-war novel or an anti-war film I always want to say good I'm writing an anti hurricane film you know let's see if that solves anything you know because I do think it's one of the activities of man what has happened with war and I think it's an important thing and it's another thing that I think conservatives don't take into account I mean conservatives for instance have yet to incorporate in their minds the effect of birth control on the sexual lives of human beings technology changes things it may not change the morals of things but it changes what happens if you were fighting a war in Homeric days and you were a guy with a sword running out against other guys with swords it's a very different situation that if you're running onto a field and people are wiped out like in World War one whether they were just hos machine gun bullets over a field and an entire town would be wiped off the face of the earth in minutes okay that changes the morality of war nuclear weapons changed the morality of war there was a time when I think war was heroic there was a time when it's horrible as it was war was glorious now I think war is so horrific and so mass so full of mass murder that it's really hard to get the ancient glory out of it and yet at the same time men especially the male especially still feels that he wants to fight for something and and I think a lot of the problems we have in society is that natural basic instinct men have to want to fight for their women to want to fight for the property to want to fight for success its thwarted because when you go out and fight it's all just bombs going off and the guy next to you is gone and there's no glory in it whatsoever I mean the glory is theoretical in the sense that we understand it was glorious that you were brave enough to do that but there's not the glory of watching you know a warrior go out with a sword and fight his way and hack his way through which actually was like an athletic thing that was an actual glorious thing but I think it's a very basic thing I think what we're dealing with is that our natures have been thwarted by technology which has made war so horrifying and so full of mass that our basic nature to fight for what we believe in has been forwarded and I think it creates a lot of problems so it's so interesting that you say that do you how much involvement do you think culture has had in porting the masculinity specifically of American males well I think what happens is that culture that culture would not be able to thwart men being men if you needed men to be men as you did in the old days never would have occurred to a Viking woman to say stop fighting all the time because the minute you stop fighting all that should be gone you'd be carried off by the next drive that was that was fighting you know it's on those moments like 9/11 I remember I remember suddenly all those liberal ladies all those feminists ladies going oh that's what men are for because it's the men who run into those buildings there's no getting around that it's not women who go charging up the stairs when the building is coming down around you it is the firemen it's the policemen those are the guys who do it and then you remember this is part of what men are for now of course in our world men actually do serve a lot of purposes but their new purposes you know the kind of the kind of technological advances do tend to stem from male ways of thinking but it's not the same thing it's not that obvious brute force there is a force that protects us the military and the cops and all that stuff but we've gotten so powerful that it allows people like me to do other things like create and invent and all about I feel like I could talk to you about this for a whole hour all these don't follow up questions in my head but we're gonna get back to our subscribers in a moment but first we wanted to take a second just share with you about our very generous sponsor for this episode of the conversation Skillshare Skillshare I love Skillshare and it's just what we were talking about skills fair is it's this online community where you can get classes there's I don't know there's like three million members with 17,000 classes but there are video classes a series of videos on a class will teach you all kinds of things graphic design DSLR photography social media marketing digital illustration just 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hello I was just wondering what your views if any we're on UK politics the parties in the current prime minister Theresa May or other well-known political figures such as Jeremy Corbyn and others well you know I lived in England for seven years and one of the things I learned very quickly in by doing this and I learned it within a month of moving there is you don't know anything about a country until you live there you really don't you don't do not know the ins and outs you get a sense I know sometimes don't you ever read in the newspaper wherever you're getting your news you'll read about France and you think France is coming a part of the scenes yeah and then you'll go over there think that looks fine you know exactly it all depends where you are really great reason why I mean get the good cheese and the good wine great you know great clothes and all that stuff now these French people are gonna write it it is funny to perfect but but I lived in England for many years and so I learned that you really don't know unless you live there and now I have not lived there for 20 years and so I don't really know I you know I was I was deeply in favor of the UK of brexit I was very much in favor of brexit Teresa may seems to have bobbled this ball she was never in support of brexit and I started by saying you don't know that much about it so you understand I'm an American talking about this she didn't really support brexit I think the European Union is a mistake I think that it is proven it's a mistake by its unbridled allowing of immigration coming in and basically insisting that you have to take these immigrants whether you want them or not if you can fit them or not whether they fit your culture or not and it's very left-wing and is very intrusive and the problem the British have is the British follow rules so if you tell them you know yours and they do by the way if Brussels puts out a report saying you know your potato chip must have a curve in it that's 17 you know on arc of this you know the British will sit around with their potato chips trying to man that you know and of course the Italians are like whatever yeah so so I would say that I'm in favor of it I think Terry samay is blowing it and I think it may not happen because she's done such a bad job Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous guy he is a clown like Bernie said he's their bernie sanders he is like bernie sanders yeah he does not know he's a leftist socialist he really does not know what socialism looks like he should look at men as well though that is what socialism looks like and the problem is is he's so bad he's so far left because you know Britain really moved to the right he's so far left that they think he's not gonna get in but Theresa May remembers a parliamentary system she has messed up enough so he could very easily slip in and then they're gonna be in genuine trouble I'm curious to see what happens in Austria where the new Prime Minister there is very young yep 31 31 yep my age it's gonna be the new Prime Minister and he's saying that he wants to pull out of the EU as well and make Austria more sovereign nation I think he's a really good sign because whenever we hear the Germany or Austria is going to the right we immediately see that just don't the jackboots and the Nazis and all this stuff and this guy is just a moderate you know right winger who wants to pull away from the far-right but it is a nationalist and does understand I think I think that Muslim immigration is a big problem I don't think that I think that Islam has things inherently in it's ideas that are at odds with the West and just having them come in on mass is a bad mistake and I think that if this guy can curtail that if he can show respectable amount of success suddenly a lot of other countries are going to be saying you know what we're not Nazis if we go a little bit to the right it's not gonna instantly turn us into Adolf Hitler it's interesting because we're friends from Scandinavian countries and they kind of say the same thing they can't understand and they're from socialist countries yeah and would identify a socialist but they say you Americans in your immigration of course you should have a wall because look what's happened to Europe it's ridiculous where daily there you know it detect it is a conflation of race with belief you know I don't care what color a person is if he's an American you know if he believes in the Constitution he believes in freedom I could care I truly could care less but you can have a belief system that is repugnant or just in conflict with the basic premises of the West you know if your if your belief system does not include freedom of religion and Islam in a lot of ways does not I understand can be interpreted in many different ways but there is a strain of it that does not if you are not online with women being an equal part of society and I'm an anti-feminist I see this as an anti feminism you know but you're not welcome in the West you know you're a problem for the West if that is your religion if your religion is that not only not only can your women not be treated equally but they can't leave see that's the important if you want to have a religion where a woman can voluntarily say oh yeah I'll be part of your religion and I'll wear this crazy getup and all that so that's fine but if you kill her when she tries to leave not so fine anymore and that's probably right and so that and to me you don't you can't conflate ideas which are allowed to criticize an attack even if they're religious ideas you can't come flate those with race which is totally just inborn and you're part of you know that you're made in the image of God no matter what color you are well some people might argue well they'd be wrong and they'd be John wants to know can you tell us what the appropriate scope of the government's role in protecting the environment only federal or state none of the above your free use of land but there are permanent side effects permanent side effects I think everybody understands this is called the problem of the Commons everybody understands that the government has some role in regulating the comp the use of common land and of course the error would be be included and that as we all breathe the air nobody wants to go back to the London Fog nobody wants to go back to the smog in la smog in LA was you know cured by people saying we've got to cure this and then they invented the catalytic converter and it's it is really really different out there than it is today if you google a picture of like the valley in the 70s today I remember standing on a hotel balconies watching this green yuck come in over the horizon was a horrible thing so nobody is against you no come this is the you this is the good uses of government how you know how when something what government is for and as I say this is the problem of the Commons is solving the problem that no one person has but we all have so in other words a factory doesn't have a problem with the air because it just wants to build its stuff but all of us together have a problem the air and that's what we use government for the problem is what the left does continual continuously is they take legitimate problems and they cause hysteria about them and then they try to use them to seize all this power it's not like oh let's keep the air clean let's set reasonable standards for air and let each state find a way to meet those standards it's like oh my god it's the end of the world if you don't sign on to this you're a Holocaust denier we're gonna be burned to death in two years or as Al Gore would say we're gonna die two years ago and left and then so you have to give government all the power and all the control over our energy sources or else you're a horrible horrible human being that's a crazy stupid argument that we shouldn't even allow to happen but what happens is the press amplifies that argument and cuts us off when we say you know what I'm happy to take care of the air happy to take care of our water we all want that calm down because by the way if the world is gonna burn up you can't do what to think about it is hope so don't destroy our economies don't take over everything don't be in control of everything as far as I'm concerned like the EPA for instance yes and doing a great job I mean I love what he's doing should be like 52 guys with one of those pool testers you know what it tells us how clean the water is each one should go to a state and dip it in and say any water's a little dirty and they say well clean it come back in six months test it again that's it you know just push set that set the bar where it's supposed to be and then stop telling people to do but the left is all about regulating everything so they always want to make a panic it can't be it can't be you know these city neighborhoods are a problem it has to be racism in America there's no more racism in America nor anywhere else in fact less I would say having lived other places I would say much in America but they always are trying to take little grains of truth and blow them up into forests of sensation yeah okay moving along don't forget to ask questions as a subscriber you have to login so if you're writing things on Facebook or YouTube right now I'm sorry we cannot see them because you need to be a subscriber log into the website daily wire.com and head over to the conversation page to watch the live stream after that to start typing into the daily wired chat box where drew will answer questions as they come in for an entire hour I'm not used to calling you drew do you prefer to be called drew Andrew I don't mind you know my drew Clavin was always my professional and because I was nobody ever heard of Bill Shakespeare so I thought when I write a book it should have Andrew Clayton on it but most people have always called me drew once okay good to know so I guess I could start calling you drew next question is from Emmanuel he says that he has a silly question for Overlord Clavin what is your favorite daily wired cartoon daily wire court what daily wire cartoons I read the daily wire all the time I've never still we have cartoons on the daily where you guys what I liked our funny videos is that what they're talking about the funny videos oh okay I find a lot of those funny in like my mind is gone completely blank a specific favorite yeah well I'll ask you I'll remind you later and then maybe gherkin tweeted out for everybody the hippo what did the hippo oh yes that was funny alright we'll say the hippo serious question what is your biggest letdown and biggest win for president oh good question well I think the thing that I mean it's gotten we've all gotten so tired of saying it it's they keep saying oh it's Supreme Court justice Gorsuch but that's not it really no because he has it's not just courses okay he has is completely changing the nature of the federal courts and as much as conservatives hate Mitch McConnell Mitch McConnell has just gotten rid of this thing they called the blue slip rule he's cleared that way so a lot of these guys were being confirmed his and Trump's justice picks and judges judge picks have been tacular as somebody said in an article Scalia's all the way down and I think that that is just terrific I also love and this has been a bugbear of mine for a long time these regulations that Obama specifically but really the government as a whole has been using to control people's lives so they passed these laws and they'll say well yes but we passed the law but here is an agency that is gonna make the regulations and the agency just endlessly that's that what the guy does he goes to work at the agency and makes regulations and so Trump's rule that you have to cut two regulations for every new one you make spectacular those are the things I really do love and do you see that being implemented in places oh yeah it's absolutely yes it's actually happening and it's happening in terms of cutting back regulations that that forced religious people to provide birth control that they didn't want to provide and and the EPA regs against coal coal usage he's cut back and say he's really done a good good job with that obviously he has not been as successful wrangling the cats in the Congress he's not a no okay so what's your biggest let day I would say my biggest letdown with him so far is that he he hasn't he hasn't tempered his tone to get past the bullying he's starting to one of the things I keep saying about trumpet no one no one will listen to me Alicia I keep saying is he learn stuff you can watch him do it you can watch him get better at things you know he is so he's a very successful man he was very successfully changed to let you know the skyline of New York in the 70s and 80s and he did it when people had given up on New York and he was a big success on TV and all this stuff is he will be the first person to remind you what great ratings but ujuj is like but he that bullying thing working the littles people I think you know I understand why people like it because we're taught were all tired of being pushed around by the press basically we all feel that we haven't had a voice Barack Obama was a quiet man but he was a very very nasty man he really divided us and all this stuff that's still still I want to hit back I want to hit back hard but I also want to hit back as like it's not that I want to play by gentleman's rules but I don't want to be as big a bully as they are I don't see it if we keep sinking to each other's levels eventually we just disappear into the earth this ties into the question that was asked earlier about the war and the glory of war yeah I think that a lot of the support for Donald Trump did go back to like those people that felt like they've been deluged or they can't be that macho kind of you know have that bravado anymore and so even though Trump might be a little more extreme than they would be in their everyday life they like cheer him on because they're like well somebody's finally saying it yeah you know you're absolutely right and I got so angry at Bill Kristol today he put out a tweet saying I like everything

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