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To ask questions, sign up at https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe and join The Conversationyour life with Michael how they can hear our audio but they can't see us for a little bit yeah starting yes I can't curse anymore so what is internet it's not video oh good I was listening to some FM radio this morning I was surprised what they can get away with saying undisclosed FM radio hello everyone I'm Alicia Kraus and welcome to episode 4 of the conversation featuring daily wires own Ben Shapiro he's my boss so I have to be kind of nice but I'm gonna can I get away with calling this the Christmas edition here we go the conversation is streaming live on The Daily wire web site the Ben Shapiro Facebook page and The Daily wire YouTube channel and it will be available to download on soundcloud like a regular podcast so you can listen to the car and share it with friends later it's free for all of our fans to watch and listen but only daily wire subscribers get to ask the questions so to ask questions subscribe to The Daily wire and login to the website then ask your questions in the comment chat box which we will answer in the order that we receive them we promise that that's one of the great things about the conversation also be sure to stay tuned in next month Tuesday January 16th for the fifth episode of the conversation starring our very own Andrew Clavin who throws a really good Christmas party by the way that you missed out on the new year well it was after sundown so I thought you might come yeah I thought so too but I have two little kids and no babysitting I brought my kids right but that's because you have no taste he said that children were allowed because he likes like ornaments only hung it at the 4-foot level around the street ok fair enough actually my 4 year old had to go decorate behind the tree that was like facing the window and she was very excited about that she's the only one that got to go back there good story I have it I have a really dumb Gentile question ok I'm only killing time because we're waiting for real questions from subscribers to come in right now I'm sure they're hastily logging in is there an equivalent of a Christmas tree for Hanukkah no no I mean there's there's a menorah but that was an actual like accoutrement day in the temple yes right so no there's there's not like a random shrub this you're not gonna make wreaths and hang them on the doors or anything no we don't do that so you just have the Medora in the window yes right we have the menorah in the window and we do to actually go and tear yard and like chop things off the bushes like anybody who talked about like the Hanukkah bush haha not a Jewish thing this is this is you being sad because you don't have Christmas which I understand Christmas is pretty awesome I mean it's a great holiday but if you have to imitate the Christians by going out and chopping off a shrubbery and sticking it by your fireplace then you're doing it wrong well there was the burning bush but that's a totally different totally different thing so we have our first question and you're a troll let's do and try to get through as many as possible Spencer asks hey Ben were you ever unsure as to what you wanted to do with your life when exactly did you decide to become a lawyer and then change to delivering political commentary full-time so I actually never wanted to be a lawyer so I first started off when I was in when I was 16 I went to college and when I was starting a college I thought that I was gonna double major in music and genetic biology Wow and I walked on campus and within the first few weeks I had seen a piece in the two things happened one I took a genetic map for engineering majors which was not great and second was that I saw an editorial in the in the daily Bruin the UCLA paper that was really in anti-israel anti-semitic editorial I walked into the office I spiked around a counter and that turned into a column I was writing every couple of weeks and it sort of took off from there so I didn't know that I was getting into politics until then and then when I went to law school I really didn't want to be in law school I was not interested in going to law school my mom wanted me to be in law school because she basically runs business affairs for companies and it always regretted not getting her law degree and then Africa all sentence did well and got into Harvard she's like you need to go so well my career path was essentially set from the time that I was 17 or 18 years old but it was very different from the career path I thought I was gonna happen I was 16 and do you have any regrets I mean depends on the political news cycle the political news cycle really sucks I'm like well it'd be nice to be in a symphony and then I realized what people in symphonies get paid and I'm like well I guess even actually in politics and all symphonies can be political as we saw with our own friend Dennis Prager that is true as well I'm not sure I were to survive being a symphony because I barely survived being in an office this is true Dylan is asking hey Ben you've talked a lot about Beethoven but what do you think of Frederic Chopin and I feel like I said that wrong you - of Han sorry hey and what's the next WC I know how to say that but now you made me greetings from Oh Switzerland okay so and cuckoo the so I am NOT a huge Chopin famine I think you have to be a pianist to really be a Chopin fan everyone I know who's a huge fan of Chopin is a pianist Debbie sees difference NBC's orchestrations are revolutionary and wonderful and I love deputies music I think Debussy is just spectacular so your dad is a professional like he does like Chopin although he likes I honestly went when you're a professional pianist or professional violinist there's sort of the difference between showpieces and more serious music and chopin sort of from what he's said anyway serve runs the line between showpiece and serious music and my dad tends to like more serious music so if he's gonna play like Beethoven and Brahms and Bach and and that sort of music Chopin's a little more than the showy side so if somebody wanted to take a class that they could potentially learn you know like cooking and music and all these extra skills because I feel like you have a lot of like side things that you enjoy doing is hobbies but you want to make yourself better at these hobbies right could they check out Skillshare comm thanks I got scared comm what are those things this is the case so are you looking to get her leg up at work and take your career to the next level with over three million members more than 17,000 classes Skillshare is the Netflix for online learning take classes in graphic designs yes a lot photography social media marketing digital illustration and much much more skill share classes they're taught by industry experts experienced professionals they are perfect if you're looking to build your career or start the side hustle dreams I took 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eternal Jinju howdy what are your thoughts regarding the investor George Soros so George Soros obviously is a radical leftist with a hard left to gentlemen he funds a bunch of groups in the United States who are not good for the for the body politic also his history as an investor has been called into question before he was supposedly single-handedly responsible for almost sinking the British Pound at one point he is he's a sketchy character to say the least but most of the sketchiness that is associated with Soros is associated with his political spending he really does fund a lot of radically anti-american groups and those groups are are definite kind of sticking points in the cogs of democracy and they're sticking points in the cognitive like what it was in the news cycle in 2016 and 2017 well I mean he's always you know a lot of a lot of the groups that black lives matter groups have been supported by George Soros a lot of the Occupy Wall Street groups were supported by George Soros he is a radically left guy there's no question next we have a question from Tom hi Ben what is your opinion on the proposed idea that race and IQ are linked due to genetics rather than environment so the evidence on race and IQ is mixed with regard to how much these are linked to genetics as opposed to environment so that's never really been clarified because you have actually seen IQ movement in groups so when for example the IQ test started to be used at beginning of the 20th century Eastern European Jews tested very low on the IQ test and then within a generation they're testing very high on the IQ test a lot of it has to do with education a lot of it has to do with how well you speak the language and also depends when you're taking the test so IQ tests are quite variable a lot of the time people take IQ tests when they're three or four years old and those are not predictive it's only when you get to seven or eight years old that IQ tests are actually predicted and of course it's necessary to point out that even if there was a group that had a lower IQ than another group that does not speak to individuals within the group and where they fall in the IQ chart because individuals are individuals group metrics are group metrics so it doesn't really say a lot for what policies should be even if there were differentials in IQ among various groups oh they're talking men or women or whether you're talking racial groups so any group that you pick there's gonna be some IQ differential because the people in that are not identical and the chances that averages out exactly the same are you know relatively low but that said the attempt by some to basically say that discrepancy in in America or in any other country are generally caused by IQ difference as opposed to for example culture I think that's that's a it's a difficult road to hoe just because IQ does not directly correlate with with income beyond a certain point for example okay interesting al wants to know hey Ben what's your response to leftists who say gender is disconnected from sex so one of the things that's really irritating about how leftists address gender and sex is that they like to redefine gender depending on the context in which they're using it so they'll say they'll say that sex the Honest left this will say there's sex which is biological you're a man or you're a woman or you're intersex and then they will say that there's gender and gender is a social construct so that's feminine or masculine yeah okay well feminine and masculine are connected to biology right men tend to be more masculine women tend to be more feminine there is a biological connection there but the left will do is they'll say gender is completely disconnected from sex it's completely arbitrary to social constructs and then they'll read back into sex what they want gender to be so they'll say the gender has nothing to do with man or woman but there is such a thing as feminine and masculine these are social constructs and you can push those back in a sec so now biological sex no longer exists a biological woman who identifies as a gendered man is actually a biological man right this is the way that the left likes to treat this and it's insane I mean you can't conflate these terms if you want to say that there are certain elements of societal constructs that are clearly socially constructed like for example garment wear to a certain extent then that's fair but if you want to say that that it's not biological like feminine and masculine attributes are unduly disconnected from sex biological sex there's no scientific backing for that whatsoever especially when it relates to hormones out for sure I mean again it's it's it's such a bizarre world where doctors are being misinformed about the sex of their patient because they're being it because the patients are being asked gender this actually happens on relatively frequent basis where a doctor will enter a room I know it's happened to my wife at least once where a doctor enters a room and it says on the patient's chart that the sex is not what the sex of the person actually is and the diagnosis can be very different if you're having lower stomach cramps and your man the diagnosis is very different than if you are having lower stomach cramps and you're a woman I'm just wondering how long did we make it into the conversation before Ben mentioned his wife being a hot doctor oh that was like 10 minutes on your new record your nice movement I am the empty watch right there oh yeah Lance says hey Ben loved the show why is it that the left is so quick to give up on their individual rights for the sake of the suppose public good do you believe they're ignorant of where this will end I don't think they're ignorant of Wordle em but I think that they blind themselves to where it ends I think that the left does not believe in individual rights they believe that you are defined by your group identities so if you are a Jew then it is your membership in the Jewish group that matters if you're a black person then it's your membership in the black group that matters because power can't actually be promulgated except by group dynamics this is the sort of the Marxist theory is that if you are an individual there's no way you can make it away in the world you can't really act out in powerful ways in the world you have to band together with other people and so we have to identify you by your group that's the only way that things get done and so the left is very focused on things getting done in terms of what they call social justice right even the term social justice evidence is then they care very little about individual rights because social justice is all about what's good for the group know what's good for the individual or what's just for the individual so next question we have from Daniel I'm trying to get through these as quickly as possible would Trotsky have been more dangerous leader if he had succeeded Lenin rather than Stalin I'm well I mean if it's hard to imagine that somebody would have more dangerous than Stalin frankly so you know Trotsky you know the difference is between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks and the and the Trotskyites and the Stalin Heights and I feel like from afar seen election get really I mean they from afar they they look relatively minor as the times when you when you look at the actual debates between Trotsky and Stalin you know it looks like Trotsky was Trotsky was radical but not quite as violent to Stalin Stalin was more violent but not quite as radical as Trotsky but in the end it's very hard to say that somebody would have been a more dangerous leader than Stalin given the Stellan ended up murdering 50 to 60 million people minimum so that that's a difficulty David says hi Ben Happy Hanukkah I wanted to know your opinion on this issue as I debated it with my stepdad sorry in being a Jew I'm sorry is being a Jew racial ethnic or religious component of one's identity hashtag Shapiro 2024 okay so I had to get that hashtag I appreciate it okay so racial ethnic oh really okay so ethnic is so it's not racial Judaism is not racial even even Jewishness is not racial you can see that in the Jewish community my wife is Moroccan I am from Eastern European extraction there are Jews from Ethiopia so race has nothing to that if you go to Israel you'll see Russian Jews and you'll see black Jews right remember when we were on a radio show together and there was a black mrs. real and the and the American newspapers didn't know how to address her because she was black right they're like well we can't call her black but we can't call our african-american and President Obama met her and they were like what do we say right exactly and the answer to she's a black dude I mean she's a Jew from Ethiopia so race has nothing to do with it ethnicity being Jewish is an ethnic category but what really matters is Judaism as a religious identity so one of the aspects of being a religious Jew is that you have to be ethnically Jewish but you about unlike normal ethnicity I can't convert into being a black person you can't convert into being a Jew so you can convert religiously into being a Jew and then your bloodstream becomes part of the ethnic identity of Jews the only reason that I talk about it as an ethnic identity is that northa Doc's Judaism if your mom is ethnically Jewish then you are Jewish bye-bye Jewish law but it's not a perfect you know it's hard to say that it's a perfect ethnic group in the sense that it's a self-contained ethnic group when people can convert it no one else can convert into an ethnic group but this is why you have such diversity ethnically and racially among Jews okay Garrett says how many hours per day do you read on Monday show you mentioned that you read a 417 page biography in one weekend yeah so the Beethoven biography actually read Friday night to Saturday morning so that's it so how many how many stay up all night long no I went relatively then actually thank God every quickly yeah and I'm not a speed reader Brad you reap it I do it fast as far as how many hours a day I read it really depends on what my kids will allow me I most of my reading I get time on the weekends so Saturday Friday night and Saturday are really my big reading day I would say that on a normal day not counting the news just reading books anywhere from half an hour to an hour maybe if I'm lucky okay but it depends on the day I mean if I'm if I'm working on another book like I'm working on a book now and that necessitates that I read a lot so maybe a couple hours a day when I mean where are we able to know what this book is about so the sort of I mean the book is basically about why we're so angry at each other and why it is that we've lost a common vision for the country and it goes all the way back to the roots of Western civilization and talks about why it is that we moved away from these roots so I start literally at the Bible and Aristotle and move forward through Aquinas Maimonides and the founders and then talk about the breakdown in Western civilization basically the main thesis is that the what what built Western civilization was this idea of Revelation on one hand a godly universe on the one hand and the power of reason on the other and those were fused together with the idea of freedom in the American Founding and then the West decided that God was no longer part of this equation was no longer necessary and the next thing to fall was reason and then the final thing to fall will be democracy so that's the basic thesis do you put this in layman's terms so people like myself can read hope so I mean that's that's the goal yeah and TBD I said when it when it comes out I mean it should be coming out 2019 so okay let's do the end September 2018 HarperCollins yeah people will Congrats on that by keeping forward to it just want to get those people watching a teaser because they here been booked went to come here Jacqueline get really excited Meghan Hansen says hey Ben why did you go to DC a couple weeks ago I cannot say I cannot say it is mysterious but it was cool I mean I could give you my email address no I'm kidding of it I don't let your secret out Brandon Ben you've mentioned your disapproval of the Beatles hold it's gonna be fun Emily and marketing her ears just peaked because her husband is the biggest Beatles fan I know I've had this argument you've had this argument around the office minute as with everyone else in the office she's very much on the edge of being fired over all the conversations like this so your disapproval of the Beatles but what about Elvis good question what are your favorite bands and do even like music at all are you human okay so the last part thank you I appreciate it so okay so today actually if you want to see the music that I recommended for today's news cycle I tweeted out about 15 separate pieces they're all classical yes I saw them and so that's that's the classical music that I enjoy but I also listen to old school jazz in terms of rock I did you save jazz are you responsible for saving jazz like Ryan Gosling is I don't even know what you're talking about my gosh it's a wall Elaine reference okay that didn't you oh god Alesha these random references okay so in any case as far as as far as rock music I like Doobie Brothers I like some of the softer rock I like Jim Croce I like John Denver okay but I don't know all this is music enough to really critique it one way or another I don't think that the rust in your pelvis is a skill set so I'm not sure that Elvis's pelvis was really tremendous thing for Western civilization what about Bob Seger I don't know his music lord have mercy okay we'll get on that I promise folks oh goodness so if people you'd mentioned social media you're on social media all the time how many tweets a day do you send out I'm trying to minimize it now but probably 40 and if somebody wanted to become 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Khan flash up hero to start your free month today and once you start you're not gonna want to stop because it is going to increase your earning capacity as well you need to increase your skill set I'm constantly stressing this on the show if you think that you're gonna have a job in a month you might not that's why you need to increase your skill set live on the edge but make sure that you have the skill set necessary to upgrade your salary is that threat no Alicia I would never threaten you I wonder when people put in their first and last name if I should really read their first and last night yeah they might get fired because I don't want them to get fired go first name let's just do Brendon here mister Ben when do you think it's okay to paint with a large brush a big wall I liberals with gun owners and most right wings with how they feel okay so I think that generalizations can be useful but you have to be careful with how specific you are being so generalizations are useful in the sense that they're shorthand like people know what you're saying when you say that Republicans do act are Democrats you actually the left doesn't actually why does why the right is why they when you do that people that have a general idea what you're saying but always when you use a generalization everybody reading their head there are exceptions to this rule this doesn't apply to everyone unless you literally mean every single person who is a member of this subgroup believes this thing and you know maybe we should clarify more often what that means but I think that it is useful for short hang because otherwise you're gonna spend an awful lot of time saying you know the group of which 79% believe a and 21% believe be that group also breaks down further into this like in the end we're all individuals so if you want to use any sort of shorthand at all and not just talk about individuals then you're gonna have to you're gonna have to generalize there's just no way around it okay so generalization but I mean do you think that the left or the right generalize is more well I mean I think that the the question isn't who doesn't more the question is whose does it wrongly so I think that the right generalizes about the left a lot less inaccurately than them the left generalize about the right I mean the left the left take on the rights take on the left generally has been that the left is is obsessed with the notion of libertinism that at the same time they are communalist and communitarians that they believe that group politics should predominate that's endemic to left-wing thought but right-wing thought it's hard for the left to peg it down because they don't really understand founding philosophy all that well I haven't spent a lot of time with it you'll find the I person on the Left who really does understand what conservatives think but typically they just boil it down to they must be reactionaries they identify the right with reactionary and the right has a tendency to to identify the left with with badly meaning I don't think that's badly meaning I just think they start from different premises that are wrong okay Paul says hi Ben what do you think about the show the twilight zone for me it's the best show ever twilight zone is fantastic so every every Thanksgiving on sci-fi Network they show the the full-on marathon of Twilight zones and there are a couple episodes that are truly great if you've never seen the howling man the howling man is a personal favorite episode that one is it's basically the whole episode is basically the punchline of the usual suspects right the the greatest trick that I've ever played it is to teach you that he's not there um there there are a couple other episodes that are that are really spectacular and very creepy really a great creative show and we haven't seen anything I think probably is good since since it was alright I would agree that's that's got to be up there if I had to pick top TV shows of all time no one definitely has to be out there interesting what age because there is a creepy old to it and I don't do go with scary things at what age would you start showing your son and daughter episodes of Twilight Zone 1314 so that'll be the Shapiro's stand they'll be sitting on the couch at Thanksgiving at 13 and there I think that's right yeah okay the writing is really good okay Joe says hey Ben I have used the situation to argue against government health care one doctor is able to provide services to one of two men one can pay and one cannot who would you save is this a false binary well I mean it's it's not a false binary in the sense it's so it's a false binary in the sense that typically the doctor can only save one person and you wouldn't want to gauge that based on the level of money they have like what's it because you could see the left coming back with a variation on the binary in which they say okay one person can pay one person cannot the person who can pay happens to be Hitler and the person who can't happens to be Mahatma Gandhi which one do you save right do you let the money drive it that that's not really what the case is against government health care the case against government healthcare is you there's a certain number of people who may or may not want to become doctors you can either pay them all $40,000 to people or become doctors or you can have people buy their services and they will be paid $150,000 what do you think is gonna generate more doctors or you have a queue you have a line of people and the doctor can spend a certain amount of time with each patients how do you organize that line do you organize that line by basic supply and demand or do you organize that line by forcing the doctor to care for a certain person for a certain amount of time and shortchange everybody else because the fact is that what the market does I mean when it comes to medical care very few people are really interested in overpaying for medical care very few people are actually like I want to spend an extra thousand dollars just to spend time with a doctor most people go into the doctor to get an answer and leave and the way that you determine how time should be spent is through is through monetary transaction again the end goal of that in terms of from a moral point of view would be to incentivize the creation of new doctors and create the predominance of more service okay so don't forget that the conversation is streaming live right now on The Daily wire website the Ben Shapiro Facebook page and The Daily wire YouTube channel and you will be able to download it on soundcloud like a regular podcast it's free for all of our fans to watch and listen but only Daily wire subscribers get to ask Ben the questions this is our second conversation we've done together it is for those who didn't already pick we are sitting in the bench pair of studio which is kind of cool that's true we just moved your big like oval office type desk out of the way and now we're sitting awkwardly on a couch I know I don't know why they set us on the couch is so weird to ask questions subscribe says subscribe to The Daily wire and log in to the website then ask your questions in the comment chat box which we will answer in the order that we received them our team is working really hard to put them up here for Ben to answer as quickly as possible also be sure to stay tuned for next month's conversation on Tuesday January 16th for the fifth episode of the conversation starring our very own Andrew Clavin it's the best way to kick off the new year and he's lots of fun so I'll have lots of fun hosting that once again sorry guys unless Ben's threat comes true and I'm not here next month I will be hosting that episode of the conversation let's keep moving Robert says been a new subscriber welcome Robert what are your thoughts on Jordan Peterson's theory of religion as its expression of archetypes of Union archetypes so I so I think that his books maps of meaning is a really interesting book it's it's a little tough to read it's a very dense volume you know Young's notion of the collective unconscious and and the commonality of humanity with regard to religion I think there's some truth to the idea that you see certain narratives that crop up in virtually every religion and there's some scientific basis to this that the human brain seeks a deity that the human brain seeks God the the notion that all religion is a reflection of Jungian archetype it seems to me the only problem there is that it sort of equates the value of each religion and I don't think that that's exactly right as a religious person I wouldn't be able to say that I think every religion is equally valuable or equally correct otherwise I wouldn't be a Jew I would just be a devotee of all religion or it's a potay of Jungian archetypes more generally you know that may be I hope I'm not sim oversimplifying Jordans work obviously it's very sophisticated works a 500-page book and the pages are all this big and they're there it's but but the notion of religion acting out deeper impulses in the human psyche I think that's that's true I agree with him there and I think too you've also spent a lot of your career talking about the

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To ask questions, sign up at https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe and join The Conversationyour life with Michael how they can hear our audio but they can't see us for a little bit yeah starting yes I can't curse anymore so what is internet it's not video oh good I was listening to some FM radio this morning I was surprised what they can get away with saying undisclosed FM radio hello everyone I'm Alicia Kraus and welcome to episode 4 of the conversation featuring daily wires own Ben Shapiro he's my boss so I have to be kind of nice but I'm gonna can I get away with calling this the Christmas edition here we go the conversation is streaming live on The Daily wire web site the Ben Shapiro Facebook page and The Daily wire YouTube channel and it will be available to download on soundcloud like a regular podcast so you can listen to the car and share it with friends later it's free for all of our fans to watch and listen but only daily wire subscribers get to ask the questions so to ask questions subscribe to The Daily wire and login to the website then ask your questions in the comment chat box which we will answer in the order that we receive them we promise that that's one of the great things about the conversation also be sure to stay tuned in next month Tuesday January 16th for the fifth episode of the conversation starring our very own Andrew Clavin who throws a really good Christmas party by the way that you missed out on the new year well it was after sundown so I thought you might come yeah I thought so too but I have two little kids and no babysitting I brought my kids right but that's because you have no taste he said that children were allowed because he likes like ornaments only hung it at the 4-foot level around the street ok fair enough actually my 4 year old had to go decorate behind the tree that was like facing the window and she was very excited about that she's the only one that got to go back there good story I have it I have a really dumb Gentile question ok I'm only killing time because we're waiting for real questions from subscribers to come in right now I'm sure they're hastily logging in is there an equivalent of a Christmas tree for Hanukkah no no I mean there's there's a menorah but that was an actual like accoutrement day in the temple yes right so no there's there's not like a random shrub this you're not gonna make wreaths and hang them on the doors or anything no we don't do that so you just have the Medora in the window yes right we have the menorah in the window and we do to actually go and tear yard and like chop things off the bushes like anybody who talked about like the Hanukkah bush haha not a Jewish thing this is this is you being sad because you don't have Christmas which I understand Christmas is pretty awesome I mean it's a great holiday but if you have to imitate the Christians by going out and chopping off a shrubbery and sticking it by your fireplace then you're doing it wrong well there was the burning bush but that's a totally different totally different thing so we have our first question and you're a troll let's do and try to get through as many as possible Spencer asks hey Ben were you ever unsure as to what you wanted to do with your life when exactly did you decide to become a lawyer and then change to delivering political commentary full-time so I actually never wanted to be a lawyer so I first started off when I was in when I was 16 I went to college and when I was starting a college I thought that I was gonna double major in music and genetic biology Wow and I walked on campus and within the first few weeks I had seen a piece in the two things happened one I took a genetic map for engineering majors which was not great and second was that I saw an editorial in the in the daily Bruin the UCLA paper that was really in anti-israel anti-semitic editorial I walked into the office I spiked around a counter and that turned into a column I was writing every couple of weeks and it sort of took off from there so I didn't know that I was getting into politics until then and then when I went to law school I really didn't want to be in law school I was not interested in going to law school my mom wanted me to be in law school because she basically runs business affairs for companies and it always regretted not getting her law degree and then Africa all sentence did well and got into Harvard she's like you need to go so well my career path was essentially set from the time that I was 17 or 18 years old but it was very different from the career path I thought I was gonna happen I was 16 and do you have any regrets I mean depends on the political news cycle the political news cycle really sucks I'm like well it'd be nice to be in a symphony and then I realized what people in symphonies get paid and I'm like well I guess even actually in politics and all symphonies can be political as we saw with our own friend Dennis Prager that is true as well I'm not sure I were to survive being a symphony because I barely survived being in an office this is true Dylan is asking hey Ben you've talked a lot about Beethoven but what do you think of Frederic Chopin and I feel like I said that wrong you - of Han sorry hey and what's the next WC I know how to say that but now you made me greetings from Oh Switzerland okay so and cuckoo the so I am NOT a huge Chopin famine I think you have to be a pianist to really be a Chopin fan everyone I know who's a huge fan of Chopin is a pianist Debbie sees difference NBC's orchestrations are revolutionary and wonderful and I love deputies music I think Debussy is just spectacular so your dad is a professional like he does like Chopin although he likes I honestly went when you're a professional pianist or professional violinist there's sort of the difference between showpieces and more serious music and chopin sort of from what he's said anyway serve runs the line between showpiece and serious music and my dad tends to like more serious music so if he's gonna play like Beethoven and Brahms and Bach and and that sort of music Chopin's a little more than the showy side so if somebody wanted to take a class that they could potentially learn you know like cooking and music and all these extra skills because I feel like you have a lot of like side things that you enjoy doing is hobbies but you want to make yourself better at these hobbies right could they check out Skillshare comm thanks I got scared comm what are those things this is the case so are you looking to get her leg up at work and take your career to the next level with over three million members more than 17,000 classes Skillshare is the Netflix for online learning take classes in graphic designs yes a lot photography social media marketing digital illustration and much much more skill share classes they're taught by industry experts experienced professionals they are perfect if you're looking to build your career or start the side hustle dreams I took 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eternal Jinju howdy what are your thoughts regarding the investor George Soros so George Soros obviously is a radical leftist with a hard left to gentlemen he funds a bunch of groups in the United States who are not good for the for the body politic also his history as an investor has been called into question before he was supposedly single-handedly responsible for almost sinking the British Pound at one point he is he's a sketchy character to say the least but most of the sketchiness that is associated with Soros is associated with his political spending he really does fund a lot of radically anti-american groups and those groups are are definite kind of sticking points in the cogs of democracy and they're sticking points in the cognitive like what it was in the news cycle in 2016 and 2017 well I mean he's always you know a lot of a lot of the groups that black lives matter groups have been supported by George Soros a lot of the Occupy Wall Street groups were supported by George Soros he is a radically left guy there's no question next we have a question from Tom hi Ben what is your opinion on the proposed idea that race and IQ are linked due to genetics rather than environment so the evidence on race and IQ is mixed with regard to how much these are linked to genetics as opposed to environment so that's never really been clarified because you have actually seen IQ movement in groups so when for example the IQ test started to be used at beginning of the 20th century Eastern European Jews tested very low on the IQ test and then within a generation they're testing very high on the IQ test a lot of it has to do with education a lot of it has to do with how well you speak the language and also depends when you're taking the test so IQ tests are quite variable a lot of the time people take IQ tests when they're three or four years old and those are not predictive it's only when you get to seven or eight years old that IQ tests are actually predicted and of course it's necessary to point out that even if there was a group that had a lower IQ than another group that does not speak to individuals within the group and where they fall in the IQ chart because individuals are individuals group metrics are group metrics so it doesn't really say a lot for what policies should be even if there were differentials in IQ among various groups oh they're talking men or women or whether you're talking racial groups so any group that you pick there's gonna be some IQ differential because the people in that are not identical and the chances that averages out exactly the same are you know relatively low but that said the attempt by some to basically say that discrepancy in in America or in any other country are generally caused by IQ difference as opposed to for example culture I think that's that's a it's a difficult road to hoe just because IQ does not directly correlate with with income beyond a certain point for example okay interesting al wants to know hey Ben what's your response to leftists who say gender is disconnected from sex so one of the things that's really irritating about how leftists address gender and sex is that they like to redefine gender depending on the context in which they're using it so they'll say they'll say that sex the Honest left this will say there's sex which is biological you're a man or you're a woman or you're intersex and then they will say that there's gender and gender is a social construct so that's feminine or masculine yeah okay well feminine and masculine are connected to biology right men tend to be more masculine women tend to be more feminine there is a biological connection there but the left will do is they'll say gender is completely disconnected from sex it's completely arbitrary to social constructs and then they'll read back into sex what they want gender to be so they'll say the gender has nothing to do with man or woman but there is such a thing as feminine and masculine these are social constructs and you can push those back in a sec so now biological sex no longer exists a biological woman who identifies as a gendered man is actually a biological man right this is the way that the left likes to treat this and it's insane I mean you can't conflate these terms if you want to say that there are certain elements of societal constructs that are clearly socially constructed like for example garment wear to a certain extent then that's fair but if you want to say that that it's not biological like feminine and masculine attributes are unduly disconnected from sex biological sex there's no scientific backing for that whatsoever especially when it relates to hormones out for sure I mean again it's it's it's such a bizarre world where doctors are being misinformed about the sex of their patient because they're being it because the patients are being asked gender this actually happens on relatively frequent basis where a doctor will enter a room I know it's happened to my wife at least once where a doctor enters a room and it says on the patient's chart that the sex is not what the sex of the person actually is and the diagnosis can be very different if you're having lower stomach cramps and your man the diagnosis is very different than if you are having lower stomach cramps and you're a woman I'm just wondering how long did we make it into the conversation before Ben mentioned his wife being a hot doctor oh that was like 10 minutes on your new record your nice movement I am the empty watch right there oh yeah Lance says hey Ben loved the show why is it that the left is so quick to give up on their individual rights for the sake of the suppose public good do you believe they're ignorant of where this will end I don't think they're ignorant of Wordle em but I think that they blind themselves to where it ends I think that the left does not believe in individual rights they believe that you are defined by your group identities so if you are a Jew then it is your membership in the Jewish group that matters if you're a black person then it's your membership in the black group that matters because power can't actually be promulgated except by group dynamics this is the sort of the Marxist theory is that if you are an individual there's no way you can make it away in the world you can't really act out in powerful ways in the world you have to band together with other people and so we have to identify you by your group that's the only way that things get done and so the left is very focused on things getting done in terms of what they call social justice right even the term social justice evidence is then they care very little about individual rights because social justice is all about what's good for the group know what's good for the individual or what's just for the individual so next question we have from Daniel I'm trying to get through these as quickly as possible would Trotsky have been more dangerous leader if he had succeeded Lenin rather than Stalin I'm well I mean if it's hard to imagine that somebody would have more dangerous than Stalin frankly so you know Trotsky you know the difference is between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks and the and the Trotskyites and the Stalin Heights and I feel like from afar seen election get really I mean they from afar they they look relatively minor as the times when you when you look at the actual debates between Trotsky and Stalin you know it looks like Trotsky was Trotsky was radical but not quite as violent to Stalin Stalin was more violent but not quite as radical as Trotsky but in the end it's very hard to say that somebody would have been a more dangerous leader than Stalin given the Stellan ended up murdering 50 to 60 million people minimum so that that's a difficulty David says hi Ben Happy Hanukkah I wanted to know your opinion on this issue as I debated it with my stepdad sorry in being a Jew I'm sorry is being a Jew racial ethnic or religious component of one's identity hashtag Shapiro 2024 okay so I had to get that hashtag I appreciate it okay so racial ethnic oh really okay so ethnic is so it's not racial Judaism is not racial even even Jewishness is not racial you can see that in the Jewish community my wife is Moroccan I am from Eastern European extraction there are Jews from Ethiopia so race has nothing to that if you go to Israel you'll see Russian Jews and you'll see black Jews right remember when we were on a radio show together and there was a black mrs. real and the and the American newspapers didn't know how to address her because she was black right they're like well we can't call her black but we can't call our african-american and President Obama met her and they were like what do we say right exactly and the answer to she's a black dude I mean she's a Jew from Ethiopia so race has nothing to do with it ethnicity being Jewish is an ethnic category but what really matters is Judaism as a religious identity so one of the aspects of being a religious Jew is that you have to be ethnically Jewish but you about unlike normal ethnicity I can't convert into being a black person you can't convert into being a Jew so you can convert religiously into being a Jew and then your bloodstream becomes part of the ethnic identity of Jews the only reason that I talk about it as an ethnic identity is that northa Doc's Judaism if your mom is ethnically Jewish then you are Jewish bye-bye Jewish law but it's not a perfect you know it's hard to say that it's a perfect ethnic group in the sense that it's a self-contained ethnic group when people can convert it no one else can convert into an ethnic group but this is why you have such diversity ethnically and racially among Jews okay Garrett says how many hours per day do you read on Monday show you mentioned that you read a 417 page biography in one weekend yeah so the Beethoven biography actually read Friday night to Saturday morning so that's it so how many how many stay up all night long no I went relatively then actually thank God every quickly yeah and I'm not a speed reader Brad you reap it I do it fast as far as how many hours a day I read it really depends on what my kids will allow me I most of my reading I get time on the weekends so Saturday Friday night and Saturday are really my big reading day I would say that on a normal day not counting the news just reading books anywhere from half an hour to an hour maybe if I'm lucky okay but it depends on the day I mean if I'm if I'm working on another book like I'm working on a book now and that necessitates that I read a lot so maybe a couple hours a day when I mean where are we able to know what this book is about so the sort of I mean the book is basically about why we're so angry at each other and why it is that we've lost a common vision for the country and it goes all the way back to the roots of Western civilization and talks about why it is that we moved away from these roots so I start literally at the Bible and Aristotle and move forward through Aquinas Maimonides and the founders and then talk about the breakdown in Western civilization basically the main thesis is that the what what built Western civilization was this idea of Revelation on one hand a godly universe on the one hand and the power of reason on the other and those were fused together with the idea of freedom in the American Founding and then the West decided that God was no longer part of this equation was no longer necessary and the next thing to fall was reason and then the final thing to fall will be democracy so that's the basic thesis do you put this in layman's terms so people like myself can read hope so I mean that's that's the goal yeah and TBD I said when it when it comes out I mean it should be coming out 2019 so okay let's do the end September 2018 HarperCollins yeah people will Congrats on that by keeping forward to it just want to get those people watching a teaser because they here been booked went to come here Jacqueline get really excited Meghan Hansen says hey Ben why did you go to DC a couple weeks ago I cannot say I cannot say it is mysterious but it was cool I mean I could give you my email address no I'm kidding of it I don't let your secret out Brandon Ben you've mentioned your disapproval of the Beatles hold it's gonna be fun Emily and marketing her ears just peaked because her husband is the biggest Beatles fan I know I've had this argument you've had this argument around the office minute as with everyone else in the office she's very much on the edge of being fired over all the conversations like this so your disapproval of the Beatles but what about Elvis good question what are your favorite bands and do even like music at all are you human okay so the last part thank you I appreciate it so okay so today actually if you want to see the music that I recommended for today's news cycle I tweeted out about 15 separate pieces they're all classical yes I saw them and so that's that's the classical music that I enjoy but I also listen to old school jazz in terms of rock I did you save jazz are you responsible for saving jazz like Ryan Gosling is I don't even know what you're talking about my gosh it's a wall Elaine reference okay that didn't you oh god Alesha these random references okay so in any case as far as as far as rock music I like Doobie Brothers I like some of the softer rock I like Jim Croce I like John Denver okay but I don't know all this is music enough to really critique it one way or another I don't think that the rust in your pelvis is a skill set so I'm not sure that Elvis's pelvis was really tremendous thing for Western civilization what about Bob Seger I don't know his music lord have mercy okay we'll get on that I promise folks oh goodness so if people you'd mentioned social media you're on social media all the time how many tweets a day do you send out I'm trying to minimize it now but probably 40 and if somebody wanted to become 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Khan flash up hero to start your free month today and once you start you're not gonna want to stop because it is going to increase your earning capacity as well you need to increase your skill set I'm constantly stressing this on the show if you think that you're gonna have a job in a month you might not that's why you need to increase your skill set live on the edge but make sure that you have the skill set necessary to upgrade your salary is that threat no Alicia I would never threaten you I wonder when people put in their first and last name if I should really read their first and last night yeah they might get fired because I don't want them to get fired go first name let's just do Brendon here mister Ben when do you think it's okay to paint with a large brush a big wall I liberals with gun owners and most right wings with how they feel okay so I think that generalizations can be useful but you have to be careful with how specific you are being so generalizations are useful in the sense that they're shorthand like people know what you're saying when you say that Republicans do act are Democrats you actually the left doesn't actually why does why the right is why they when you do that people that have a general idea what you're saying but always when you use a generalization everybody reading their head there are exceptions to this rule this doesn't apply to everyone unless you literally mean every single person who is a member of this subgroup believes this thing and you know maybe we should clarify more often what that means but I think that it is useful for short hang because otherwise you're gonna spend an awful lot of time saying you know the group of which 79% believe a and 21% believe be that group also breaks down further into this like in the end we're all individuals so if you want to use any sort of shorthand at all and not just talk about individuals then you're gonna have to you're gonna have to generalize there's just no way around it okay so generalization but I mean do you think that the left or the right generalize is more well I mean I think that the the question isn't who doesn't more the question is whose does it wrongly so I think that the right generalizes about the left a lot less inaccurately than them the left generalize about the right I mean the left the left take on the rights take on the left generally has been that the left is is obsessed with the notion of libertinism that at the same time they are communalist and communitarians that they believe that group politics should predominate that's endemic to left-wing thought but right-wing thought it's hard for the left to peg it down because they don't really understand founding philosophy all that well I haven't spent a lot of time with it you'll find the I person on the Left who really does understand what conservatives think but typically they just boil it down to they must be reactionaries they identify the right with reactionary and the right has a tendency to to identify the left with with badly meaning I don't think that's badly meaning I just think they start from different premises that are wrong okay Paul says hi Ben what do you think about the show the twilight zone for me it's the best show ever twilight zone is fantastic so every every Thanksgiving on sci-fi Network they show the the full-on marathon of Twilight zones and there are a couple episodes that are truly great if you've never seen the howling man the howling man is a personal favorite episode that one is it's basically the whole episode is basically the punchline of the usual suspects right the the greatest trick that I've ever played it is to teach you that he's not there um there there are a couple other episodes that are that are really spectacular and very creepy really a great creative show and we haven't seen anything I think probably is good since since it was alright I would agree that's that's got to be up there if I had to pick top TV shows of all time no one definitely has to be out there interesting what age because there is a creepy old to it and I don't do go with scary things at what age would you start showing your son and daughter episodes of Twilight Zone 1314 so that'll be the Shapiro's stand they'll be sitting on the couch at Thanksgiving at 13 and there I think that's right yeah okay the writing is really good okay Joe says hey Ben I have used the situation to argue against government health care one doctor is able to provide services to one of two men one can pay and one cannot who would you save is this a false binary well I mean it's it's not a false binary in the sense it's so it's a false binary in the sense that typically the doctor can only save one person and you wouldn't want to gauge that based on the level of money they have like what's it because you could see the left coming back with a variation on the binary in which they say okay one person can pay one person cannot the person who can pay happens to be Hitler and the person who can't happens to be Mahatma Gandhi which one do you save right do you let the money drive it that that's not really what the case is against government health care the case against government healthcare is you there's a certain number of people who may or may not want to become doctors you can either pay them all $40,000 to people or become doctors or you can have people buy their services and they will be paid $150,000 what do you think is gonna generate more doctors or you have a queue you have a line of people and the doctor can spend a certain amount of time with each patients how do you organize that line do you organize that line by basic supply and demand or do you organize that line by forcing the doctor to care for a certain person for a certain amount of time and shortchange everybody else because the fact is that what the market does I mean when it comes to medical care very few people are really interested in overpaying for medical care very few people are actually like I want to spend an extra thousand dollars just to spend time with a doctor most people go into the doctor to get an answer and leave and the way that you determine how time should be spent is through is through monetary transaction again the end goal of that in terms of from a moral point of view would be to incentivize the creation of new doctors and create the predominance of more service okay so don't forget that the conversation is streaming live right now on The Daily wire website the Ben Shapiro Facebook page and The Daily wire YouTube channel and you will be able to download it on soundcloud like a regular podcast it's free for all of our fans to watch and listen but only Daily wire subscribers get to ask Ben the questions this is our second conversation we've done together it is for those who didn't already pick we are sitting in the bench pair of studio which is kind of cool that's true we just moved your big like oval office type desk out of the way 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meaning is a really interesting book it's it's a little tough to read it's a very dense volume you know Young's notion of the collective unconscious and and the commonality of humanity with regard to religion I think there's some truth to the idea that you see certain narratives that crop up in virtually every religion and there's some scientific basis to this that the human brain seeks a deity that the human brain seeks God the the notion that all religion is a reflection of Jungian archetype it seems to me the only problem there is that it sort of equates the value of each religion and I don't think that that's exactly right as a religious person I wouldn't be able to say that I think every religion is equally valuable or equally correct otherwise I wouldn't be a Jew I would just be a devotee of all religion or it's a potay of Jungian archetypes more generally you know that may be I hope I'm not sim oversimplifying Jordans work obviously it's very sophisticated works a 500-page book and the pages are all this big and they're there it's but but the notion of religion acting out deeper impulses in the human psyche I think that's that's true I agree with him there and I think too you've also spent a lot of your career talking about the

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